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Hey guys, I'd like to discuss keygens/cracks. I've done some research and there seems to be quite a bit of a grey area as to what part of a keygen is actually illegal. Some people think that owning but not using a keygen is legal, some think that owning a keygen and generating a product key is legal and others think that it only becomes illegal when you actually go and use the product key you've generated.
In my opinion, they're illegal from the start. Due to the intent of use, you wouldn't download it unless you intend to use it or distribute it for use. Does anyone know where the law stands for sure on this? Anyone else got any views?
In my eyes it's entirely illegal.unless of course you are the creator of the software that you're generating keys for.because you need to sell the keys to your customers so that they can license your software. Why would you ever need a keygen other than for illegal purposes? Until someone can explain that to me without sounding like an idiot, I'll hold my ground that it's completely 100% illegal.
If you buy software legitimately then you'll be given a key or keys to license the software with. Simple as that. There should never be a need for one. Definetely illegal and unethical. There is a reason why software cost as much as it does now and one of these reasons is piracy. I'm against using any keygen that unlocks the use of software that otherwise must be purchased to be used.
There are plenty of open source software that can basically accomodate for the same or similar functions as the paid software and there should be no reason for organizations to use keygens. Business Software Alliance is a good organization if you are looking for info, bsa.org. Reverse engineering is not inherently illegal or in violation of copyright law. It is a disservice to state otherwise! There are many legal cases upholding the basic right to reverse engineer.
Things do get murky. Keep in mind that all of us benefit from some level of reverse engineering. For example, if you have ever used a non-Windows device that connects to CIFS, you most likely have Samba (and reverse engineering) to thank. Older IT professionals remember the days when vendors didn't offer APIs or documented data structures, and we relied on reverse engineering to achieve levels of interoperability that are taken for granted today! This is not to say that all reverse engineering is legal.
The EFF has an excellent which includes case summaries and legal precedents influencing the legality of reverse engineering. There is also a at Chilling Effects. It's also worth noting that although the theoretically provides some useful functions, they have a completely out of shape.
With regard to their publicity schticks, they are either mentally deficient or just dishonest, and neither option is very heartening. Piracy is a very real problem.
But when the BSA spreads misinformation it hurts its constituents (software developers) and undermines its own legitimacy. TehTDK wrote: I dont see owning a keygen as being illegal. Owning a keygen in my eyes would equate to me having a lockpick set at home. As long as the keygen is just laying around and not being used I am not comitting any rights infringements.
Much in the same way that keeping the lockpicks on the shelves means I am not out on the street trying to unlock people's doors and stealing from them. Owning the tools of a trade does not a criminal make. You are not a murderer just because you own a gun;) I disagree.
Guns can be used for hunting. Lockpicks can be used to pick your own locks should you lose the key.
Keygens.have no legal purpose really at all. Why have it if you won't use it? There is no reason. Bitlocker wrote.Some people think that owning but not using a keygen is legal, some think that owning a keygen and generating a product key is legal and others think that it only becomes illegal when you actually go and use the product key you've generated.
It is part of the broader discussion of security experts - white hats, gray hats, and black hats. Similar varied views exist on other aspects of security: exploits, penetration testings, keyword cracking, et al. Seem to recall the S+ and CISSP touching on the topics, and emphasizing the need for ethical behavior - in part a point of CISSP's sponsorship requirement.
Having such tools & utilities may not make one a suspect, yet one shouldn't be surprised to be a 'person of interest'. The (security) professional needs to act responsibility and with integrity. Axehandle wrote: Reverse engineering is not inherently illegal or in violation of copyright law. It is a disservice to state otherwise!
There are many legal cases upholding the basic right to reverse engineer. Yep, reverse engineering is not inherently illegal. Who does claim otherwise? If reverse engineering applied against the works protected by copyright laws, then reverse engineering violates copyright laws. Fair use (e.g. For interoperability) is the exception.
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In general case you should get owner's permission for this action or at least don't have prohibition for reverse engineering. Bryce Katz wrote: TehTDK wrote: Justin, you can use a keygen to unlock your own legal program in the case you have lost the discs or the serial number for them;). Not that it would be that often it would happen, but it has actually happened that people has misplaced discs or lost access to their serial, but yet at the same time can provide proof of purchase. With proof of purchase, the serial number can easily be replaced with a phone call to technical support. If you can provide proof of purchase, then in the unlikely event that you lose your key you can simply call up support and get a legal key. If you generate a key you are probably still illegal, as you are likely using somebody else's key. Maybe if you're seriously interested in getting a real answer, you can ask a legal expert.
I remember working at the college help desk and someone asked if downloading guitar tabs was illegal. I told him if he had to ask, he might want to rethink doing it, but since we weren't there for legal advice, he should contact the student affairs center or whatever it is. He just told me he didn't think it was and that was the end of it. Basically, he just wanted someone to agree with him and affirm his beliefs.
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Purely anecdotal and in no way relevant to this example. It's an extremely grey area.
I definitely say it has legal uses and illegal uses. I agree with cracks in certain cases. Like certain drm in games have actually damaged pcs. I remember a couple of cases that the drm actually damaged users computers this is a bit old but i find it pretty applicable. Last story, i admit to playing spore a week before it came out. It finally came out, i was ready to buy the game and.
A drm that says you can only install it 3 times. Absolutely no warning on the box that days anything about an install limit. I uninstalled it and said forget it.
Couple of Weeks later the horror stories for getting extra installs to play a game you paid for started popping up. I like to reformat pretty often so i was out. If believe that you should be able to test games before you buy.
I think that movies should offer the first 10 minutes before you go and blow $20 and 59.99 on a friggin game only to find out that there are complications. I remember when all games have demos, now it's like uhhhhhhhh. Where are the demos?? I think that's what Onlive Is for now lol.
Vasily Ignatov wrote: The discus is shifting to ethical questions. It's an endless holy war;) Initial subject was about a specific laws covered usage of keygens, due to grey areas in the legal system. Welcome to Russia:) Almost a year ago, the criminal code said goodbye to grey area of keygens/cracks. Now it contains clear norm about creating, spreading and using of any tool circumvented/blocked copyright security.
+1 South Africa also works off of a basis of common law (like US & UK) & apart from anything else, the no reverse engineering clause in most EULAs would immediately render a keygen illegal (assuming that's how most are made).